This post is part of my What If… series which is a series of questions meant to agitate the imagination about God, Church and Faith.
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals…1 Corinthians 6:9
In the more than three decades that I have been a Christian, there are three things I have seen spark passionate debate : the doctrine of hell, the issue of women and leadership and the question over whether or not God creates gay men and women.
It is this third controversy that I want to tackle in this post, and though it will by no means be exhaustive, I want to agitate our imaginations about our gay brothers and sisters and their place within the body of Christ.
I was reading the latest issue of Christianity Today this morning when I came across a review for a new book called Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays vs. Christians Debate. Published by newcomer, Jericho Books, Torn is written by the founder of the Gay Christian Network, Justin Lee. I loved the headline of the CT review: The Love We Dare Not Ignore. The review was positive, even affirming, of the message of Justin’s book -
Many of us evangelicals may believe that LGBTQ folks are far removed from our churches and ministries. Surely gays and lesbians are out there, somewhere else, not here in our discipleship small groups or kneeling at the Communion rail beside us– are they? But if Lee, the God Boy of his high school who could quote John 3:16 in his sleep, is an example of what it means to be “gay,” then yes, they are. They’re here in our churches, and they’re here to stay, forcing us to reconsider what is might mean to love our own spiritual siblings. (emphasis by author)
Lee, like many gay Christians, has landed in a place where being gay is not a liability or disqualifier to being in a loving relationship. Lee champions for gay Christians to be who they are: attracted to same-sex partners and devoted to following Jesus.
But the reviewer, an admitted celibate gay Christian, has landed in the more “biblical” camp by being open about his sexuality yet committed to a life of celibacy. Who can’t respect that? I remember talking at length with a gay Christian who said to me, “I wish I could have a partner and be in a relationship, but I would be in sin. So I have to be alone to obey God.”
The reviewer concludes his article with this:
Conforming our lives to to Scripture’s difficult ethical teaching is precisely the way we demonstrate that we’ve made our home in Jesus’ love. And that’s a path that Lee’s book, for all its commendable honestly and salutary insights, chooses not to explore.
I should have seen that coming when in the opening paragraphs of the review the writer puts quotation marks around the words “gay’ and “gay Christian.” Not sure why he put quotation marks, but for me it brought up images of folks using “air quotes” when speaking and referring to something that they want to communicate as “questionable.”
addendum : Justin’s book was released today, Nov 13. For a great synchroblog celebrating the release of Torn, click HERE.
I don’t want to belabor reviewing a review. I brought it up since it serves as a great centerpiece to the What If question of this post:
What if being a gay Christian was not controversial?
Another way to ask this is what if gay women and men were unconditionally accepted in the body of Christ without regard to their sexual orientation much in the same people of all races are unconditionally accepted? What if faith communities did not cage their men and women in by their sexual identity? What if it was no big deal?
I heard theologian Phyllis Tickle preach a few years ago and she predicted, “The issue of gays in the church will be a non-issue within 25 years.”
The church has come a long way in the last 25 years from where we were in the last part of the 20th century. We are at least having the conversation. Gay Christians can, depending where they live, find resources of support and community, if not where they live than most definitely online, such as with Justin Lee’s Gay Christian Network. (which, btw, I’ve referred several gay people to GCN when they emailed me asking for help. I’m not a gay Christian resource, but because I’ve blogged on this topic I sometimes get emails from folks who are searching for answers. Like the time a young woman I knew from my charismatic years emailed me. She wrote, “I love my girlfriend, but I love Jesus, too. Is that ok?” )
I myself have come a long way in the last 25 years. I remember debating my liberal minded younger sister when we were in our twenties as she tried to defend “the gay lifestyle” and I solemnly condemned it as an abomination for “that’s what the Bible says.” Less than ten years ago, when the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was a blazing controversy fueled by the 2004 presidential election, I helped organize a prayer meeting to rally Christians together to protect the institution of marriage from becoming corrupted by legalizing same-sex unions.
So what if churches accepted gay people without dusting up controversy? I remember one church leader lamenting how she wanted to officiate a same-sex commitment ceremony for a young woman she cared deeply about, but she knew that it would spin her faith community into a tornado of divisiveness. She had to say no in order to prevent disunity from fracturing the flock.
Author and founder of The Marin Foundation, Andrew Marin, wrote a gem of a book a few years back, Love is an Orientation, that squarely confronts the fear and hesitation of faith communities to keep their distance from our gay brethren. Andrew, whom I met and spoke with when he was in Portland a couple years ago, is dedicated to bridging the gap between gay and Christian communities. In an effort to cultivate reconciliation, he won’t publicly declare whether or not he thinks the Bible can be interpreted condemning homosexuality or if homosexuality is something that the Bible can affirm. He does neither in his determination to avoid deepening the chasm between gays and Christians, but he does make clear that he is committed to being a champion for the love and acceptance of gay men and women everywhere, including in the church. ( My review of Andrew’s excellent book can be found HERE)
So back to my question : What if being a gay Christian was not controversial?
That is what is missing the most, our missing members who do not have freedom to be among us for we are too busy debating whether or not that being gay is moral, amoral or immoral.
For starters, books like Andrew’s and Justin’s would not be necessary. There would be no gaping hole of hurt and misunderstanding for writers to herald. It would be like someone trying to publish a book on why slaves ought to be allowed to be ordained.
If homosexuality was a non-controversial issue in the world of church, our gay brothers and sisters would be unhindered from contributing with their gifts and talents and Presence. That is what we ‘re missing the most, our missing members who do not have freedom to be among us for we are too busy debating whether or not that being gay is moral, amoral or immoral.
I hope Phyllis Tickle is right. I hope that within 25 years the church collective will look back with bewilderment and wonder, Why did we make such a fuss?
But that day is not today. Today gay men and women have to make difficult decisions of whether or not to come out to their families, biological as well as spiritual. Many will endure rejection to one degree or another. Many will experience some distancing of their church if not outright shunning. An acquaintance of mine, Timothy Kurek, became intrigued by this and conducted a year long experiment of pretending to be gay to see what that would be like in his community. The result is a new book that comes out later this month, and though I’m not sure what I think about deceiving the people around us for a social experiment, gay men and women are all too familiar with hiding who they really are just to stay in fellowship.
So what if being a gay Christian was not controversial?
The church would be all the more rich, in my opinion, just as it is when the question of women in leadership is not debated but is practiced. When the practice of accepting our gay brethren for who they are, created in the image of God as much as straight men and women are, is a wide reaching reality,then that day, I believe, will be the day the body of Christ will be less torn and closer to reflecting the whole Gospel of Jesus to our broken humanity.
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I’ve written about homosexuality a lot in the past. Here’s some posts to consider:
- Same-sex Unions : Ought a Christian Support Them? (this post includes a short paper I wrote for a biblical ethics class that provides more agitation for the imagination concerning the church and homosexuals)
- The March for PRIDE and Redemption ( a post where I tell why I marched in a local Pride parade)
- Not On My Watch: How My Mind is Changing Towards Same-sex Unions
***I welcome your thoughts on this. Whether you agree with what I’ve written here, disagree, or are in that unsure place of sorting it out, let’s dialog about this. Especially if you are gay or love someone who is. I especially would like to know if you agree with Phyllis Tickle’s prediction. Do you think being gay will be a non-issue 25 years from now?




Great blog, Pam. My response would be that Tickle is wrong. The issue isn’t dying, but churches which embrace her view are dying at an alarming rate. Faster even than other churches in the West, and that takes some doing. I wonder, though, after reading this “What if…” entry, on what basis you make any theological or ethical claims. The Bible isn’t the least bit ambiguous in its rejection of same sex sexual acts. Though some seek to argue otherwise, their work doesn’t pass a straight face test, and more and more liberal scholars and theologians are simply moving “beyond” scripture as norm. Those who place experience above scripture in the hierarchy (bad word for some, but whatev’) seem more honest in their dealing with scripture and tradition than those performing rather heroic hermeneutical gymnastics in order to arrive at an acceptable “biblical” stance. In any event, I appreciate your willingness to share your thoughts on the matter and to provide a forum for others to do the same. Here are a few URLs to what I consider fair treatments of the issue.
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2004/04/Homosexuality-Rebellion-Against-God.aspx
http://holytrinitynewrochelle.org/yourti92881.html
http://www.robgagnon.net/Janet-Mefferd-Premium_2012_04_10_HR_3.mp3
HI Randy
Thanks for your thoughtful and respectful comment. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this article.
The Bible is not as clear as one would think. The passages in Romans, for example, have been attributed by some scholars to be a reference to the Greek practice at that time of pederasty — - older men taking boys under their tutelage but instead of just teaching them a craft or trade, they would also use the boys sexually. There are scholars who suppose that Paul is addressing the issues in context of his time of sexual abuse and exploitation of one over another. It is not as clear as one would think once you engage in exploring multiple perspectives.
I’m not sure what you mean by those scholars that “move beyond scripture as norm.” Certainly you would agree that our ancient sacred text deserves to be viewed in light of cultural and social context? Otherwise, women ought not to cut their hair, wear jewelry and we should each greet one another with a holy kiss.
The Bible has been interpreted to exclude various people groups over the ages. Women are one example (and still endure sexism defended in the name of God and the Bible to this day) and also our black brothers and sisters were once thought as less than (thus, the civil war in america which was a national divide over slavery including a divided church. our christian ancestors defended the practice of slavery by invoking scripture.….)
Human sexuality is complex. I respect your viewpoint and I once shared it. But I no longer do and I do not think it takes hermeneutical gymnastics to change perspective any more than it took hermeneutical gymnastics to change perspective about slavery and women (which is still highly controversial and debated in churches around the world. women that is.)
Thanks for the links. When I have some time I will go take a peek. On the run today to get blog chores done before I go to work.
But let me ask you this : if you are inferring that churches who affirm homosexuality are dying out, then would this not infer that God does indeed have a hierarchy of sins and that homosexuality is considered a severe sin? If this were the case, then it is indeed bewildering that God would die out churches where same-sex couples are affirmed in their love for each other, but does not shrink up those churches where money and financial schemes produce greed-driven leadership and extravagant pompous Sunday morning theatrics.
Your thoughts???
Thanks for the response Pam. This is really funny, Pam. You and I are sort of mirror images of each other. I long held the view you seem to hold, or are at least exploring. I am an ordained pastor in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and spent the bulk of my “professional life” (I’m 54 now) pastoring churches in that denomination. Theologically I fit in quite well there, which is to say, I was left of center. A few things I was reading led me to question some of my conclusions or presuppositions, maybe (this was in the area of historical Jesus studies, but it got the snowball rolling downhill, I guess). Anyway, over a period of about a decade I made a slow, but decided shift to what I consider a theological position more in keeping with the consensus fidelium. Not surprisingly, considering this shift began with Jesus studies, my Christology moved first, but most everything else followed. I am familiar with Scroggs and others who maintain that pederastry was Paul’s primary target. In fact, I taught a class in my church on the subject about 15 years ago and landed where you are. Five years ago, I used Scroggs again, but this time more as a foil, and landed on the opposite side of the whole deal.
I apologize if what I wrote came across as an attack or in any way belittling of your position and how you arrived there. What I mean is, scholars who interpret the texts on homosexuality to do anything other than provide a blanket condemnation of same sex sexual acts must (in my view) reject the most natural reading of the text and then through some admirable ingenuity, develop a reading that comports neither with what we know of the universally held Jewish ethic of that day, nor with that of the earliest Christian community. I would contend (can I do that without being contentious?) that while the Bible has been used to exclude others (women, blacks), there is a definite difference with the issue of homosexuality. To begin with, the seed of inclusivity w/re to women specifically was sown early and by Jesus himself. Not to mention God’s choice of women as the first to share the news if the resurrection, and Paul’s recognition that in Christ the old distinctions that so mattered once upon a time no longer do. The general movement with regard to women in the NT was positive, progressive even. I think we (males) completely missed Paul’s point in the “let women be silent” type passages, but that is for another day, I guess. With re to slaves, at least slaves who were in Christ, Philemon blazes a new and dynamic trail of freedom and respect, even if it did not gspeak as explicitly as one might hope. But with re to the question before us, there is no such movement. Nothing but a consistent rejection of the acts so associated. To my way of thinking, that is telling.
I ws not meaning to imply that churches that embrace this view are dying out. I was stating it as objective fact. The numbers are there to read. They are in dramatic, alarming decline. More so than other churches. I would not say, however, that this decline is because of some hierarchy of sin, but because these churches, generally speaking, have rejected the great ecumenical consensus that stretches back to the NT times regarding the person and work of Jesus Christ the authority of scripture. In other words, they no longer hold to what I would call “the faith once for all delivered to the saints,” and it shows up most tellingly in their views of who Jesus is, why he matters, and what our authority is in the church. I write this with great pain, having contributed to this, and having left it for churches I perceive to be more, but hardly perfectly, faithful. Yes, sometimes we are greedy, dishonest, and ostentatious in our worship “performances.” My experience is that these are not unique to more conservative churches, but are human issues that rear their heads in all churches.
Thanks again. I see this is pretty long (see? I am a pastor!), and I get it if you don’t respond. Keep up the great writing, Pam.
Thanks for the great post, Pam! I got a pre-release copy of Justin’s book at the Wild Goose Festival, and it is an amazing work. I would have to disagree with the review you saw that said that Torn doesn’t explore the difficult ethical teachings of scripture. Much to the contrary, it is the story of a sincere journey to do just that. And Christians come to different conclusions, as the author [Wesley Hill?] of the review did. I think Torn will be useful for anyone who wants more insight into the humanity of growing up gay and Christian. If you ask questions like: Are you really gay from a very young age? Did you have a bad home life? Did you turn away from God? Why do you have to call yourself gay? Then this book will help you understand.
And as a plug for the Gay Christian Network, there’s a conference in Phoenix January 10 – 13, 2013. I’ve been to the last two and highly recommend it. (It’s also a place to get the more charismatic worship where you are accepted for being Christian, and your journey and conclusions on scripture are honored as your own journey.) Just go to gaychristian.net/conference for more info.
Good to know! Thanks for letting us know that Torn is indeed a good book and also about the GCN conference. I trust that there are some readers out there that will find this very helpful. Gay Christians must be one of the biggest minorities around!! Def need to support one another.
Thanks again for adding to this conversation. It is folks like YOU who give me hope for the future of the raging beauty that we love known as the Church.
Because I don’t have the answer, I’ll error on the side of love.
amen. i love the simplicity and wisdom of this. thanks susan!
I believe that Tickle is onto something because there are those of us who see a better way and will not be silent until we see that way become a reality. We need to be peacemakers who reconcile, but for goodness sake, we can’t be silent any longer.
Thanks for your voice and this post. I’m starting a new series called “Our Emptying Church” and this is something I plan to address. My major audience is conservative evangelical’s so this should be interesting. Would LOVE your voice there as I am quite sure we are kindred spirits on several of these issues.
HI kate,
I have got to pop by your blog to see if you began your series. Love the topic! I just posted today asking, What if women didn’t show up for church?
I’m with you on the Tickle forecast. yes, traditionalism runs deep, but there is definitely a spirit of agitation on this generation. The winds of change are gusting up!
I’ll be sure to come by your blog and jump into whatever convo you got stirred up!
I heard Phyllis Tickle say the same thing. We were, I think, at the same meeting. And yes, I agree. I do think in 25 years it will be a non-issue. Not for all churches, of course, just like the role of woman is still an issue in certain faith communities, the gay issue will continue to be an issue in some faith communities. But for the most part, the prediction will hold true.
Off the map…yes? That the was the last OTM event, can’t remember the year. She was amazing. Amazing!
Totally love listening to her. I think and hope her forecast is accurate. Thanks for commenting!
I’ll have to go back and catch up with your other posts on this topic! But sadly, no, I don’t think this will be a non-issue in 25 years. Social change is slow, and the church changes even more slowly. The long arc of history bends towards justice, but it bends very slowly.
I think the most important thing to remember is that this isn’t just an “issue” — this is about people and whether or not they are included and accepted within the church. I found it very interesting to read recently that acceptance of marriage equality in a society improves the mental health of many LGBTQ people, including those who do not want to marry! It is a marker for social acceptance and respect.
So if being a gay Christian was not controversial (as it should not be) there would be more happy, healthy Christians in the church! There would be less teenage despair and suicides, and I think there would be a more healthy attitude to sexuality than there currently is. The current sexual attitudes are very black and white: married or engaging in illicit sex? I think if we could move to a more nuanced view of relationships that would help us all.
Hi Elizabeth, yes, people are not the issue. Our perceptions and religious prejudices are. I hope it will be mostly a nonissue in 25 years. This next generation give me great hope.
Thanks for adding your voice here!
Interesting question. The only good answer I can come up with is to follow the two major teachings of Jesus that should inform our relationships: “Love Your Neighbor:, and “Do Not Judge”. That makes it a lot easier to deal with the “small print” issues we all deal with as we tip toe through a life of difficult questions, foilbles, situations and differences.
Hear, hear. That’s where I always try to begin. Everything looks different from that angle.
Thanks for reading Zoe!
Amen Al! I like how you put that : the small print. It’s true!
Thanks for adding your voice!
In Andrew Marin’s book we will find some very real and perhaps disturbing facts that the Marin Foundation has compiled over the previous 10+ years..namely that 86% of the LGBT community grew up in the church. This incredible community IS far removed from the church and with good reason..talk is cheap. Real love is demonstrated over time, within and without conflict and more often than not, without understanding..the church and by that I mean all of us need to get over our own fears and comfort zones and become engaged where people really live and love to the best of our abilities..till then, its just religion. (Skip the spotlights and microphones too)
Hi Ron!
Thanks for your comment. I’m with you… That was a great evening when Andrew Marin was here. His dedication to helping bridge relationship between the gay and xtian community is admirable.
It took a process of years for me to unravel from rigid beliefism about my gay brothers and sisters. I don’t want to err by judging Christians who literally interpret the Bible as condemning gays, so I am like you in that I want to emphasize God’s inclusive love. No matter what our interpretation of scripture is, surely we can all agree on this!
Pam– this is a great post! Thank you for your comments on this subject, but most of all thank you for being willing to evolve. This is not common in in the Christian realm. If this wasn’t an issue I as a gay Christian would not feel lost. I wouldn’t have had to leave being a minister in my denomination because of my being gay. I am thankful for voices like yours which are becoming louder than the hate. I pray that this soon will become a non point. Love the book Love is an Orientation and now I will have to read the other
Jen, thanks so much for telling some of your story. Have you ever accessed The Gay Christian Network? My hetero impression of it is that it provides thoughtful biblical resources as well as a port for community. I’d love your thoughts about them from your POV as a gay Christian.
So ate you active in any church?? Would you if you could? I know there are a small number of faith tribes that are welcoming.
I cannot type on my iPhone!
Pam — Yes I have accessed The Gay Christian Network and I love it. It has been so helpful to me and my journey. I do not believe I would have been able to make the strides in acceptance of myself without it. It is a very important tool for those of us who are gay and Christian. I wish I could just write that I was a Christian and not have to say a gay christian. Why can’t we all just be Christian? Honestly I would love to be more active in a church, but it is hard for me to find one where I feel comfortable. Comfortable meaning how I was used to worshiping. I was raised in an Assemblies of God church ultimately becoming a minister in this denomination and ending my career as a minister in a Charismatic church. Most of the churches which accept the LGBT community are those of liturgical nature. While I have really come to appreciate this it is hard for me to make the changes to be comfortable going all the time. I long for less structure and more worship. It is also hard to find good churches in the area I am in. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area where one would think it would be easy, but in the end it is not. Being a Christian in this area and gay is not as welcome as people would think it would be. Christianity is a dirty word here. I long for the fellowship of believers, but most of the gay people my age do not attend church because of the voices of the religious people.
One last thing before I close out this incredibly long post (for this I apologize). I am not sure for all people who identify as gay if it is hard for them or not, but even sitting in an affirming church it is still hard to feel the acceptance of God. One spends so many years in the church hearing how they are hated by God it only makes it harder to feel love.
Hi Jen,
So good to hear that the GCN has been so helpful for you.
I totally hear ya : to be a Christian instead if a Gay Christian. That would be like women having to be Female Christian!!
I appreciate what you’re saying too about the longing for a charismatic accepting church. That’s your tribe. I have yet to hear of a single charismatic church that welcomes and affirms gay men and women. I have heard of self-described “gay friendly” churches. What’s your take on that? And then I’ll tell you mine !
Hi Pam
I like your example about saying a woman would need to be called a female Christian. The level of labeling baffles me in the religious world. I remember in Bible college I took a class on correct labeling of churches and individuals. It was one of the weirder classes I took.
There used to be a charismatic church here in the bay area led by a lesbian and her wife, but the church was unable to maintain due to several different issues. There are a few here and there, but they are hard to come by. Let me say I really like the discussion here with everyone. I don’t expect everyone in the church to embrace me fully, but I do believe God calls us to respect and love one another. I have told my friends and family who do not accept my choices that I respect their opinion and am willing to dialogue about it , but lets talk adult not children at recess fighting over a ball.
I think the term “gay friendly” is a cop out. I believe its a way of saying we will accept you as gay as long as you follow our rules. Its a we don’t really believe that gay people are okay in the light of the word, but we have to look cool to society so we are going to say we are friendly towards you. In turn you must not be in a relationship, must not start one and actively try not to be gay. This is probably not the case for all of those who say they are “gay friendly” this is just what I have observed from trying different churches.
jen thanks so much for adding your voice, experience and perspective to this discussion. this is one of the things i LOVE about the internet : learning from others.
yes, i think the gay friendly thing is not quite on mark either. imagine if a church advertised itself as “women friendly” or “black friendly.” That would be offfensive, right?? It smacks of patronizing another who is designated as receiving “favor” and being welcome to come despite their lower standing. ugh.
We are making progress, though. And even though “gay friendly” sounds so unfriendly, it was not even on the radar of any church a mere generation ago!