What If … Being a Gay Chris­t­ian Was Not Controversial?

 

This post  is part of my What If… series which is a series of ques­tions meant to agi­tate the imag­i­na­tion about God, Church and Faith.

Or do you not know that the unright­eous will not inherit the king­dom of God? Do not be deceived; nei­ther for­ni­ca­tors, nor idol­aters, nor adul­ter­ers, nor effem­i­nate, nor homosexuals…1 Corinthi­ans 6:9

In the more than three decades that I have been a Chris­t­ian, there are three things I have seen spark pas­sion­ate debate : the doc­trine of hell, the issue of women and lead­er­ship and the ques­tion over whether or not God cre­ates gay men and women.

It is this third con­tro­versy that I want to tackle in this post, and though it will by no means be exhaus­tive, I want to agi­tate our imag­i­na­tions about our gay broth­ers and sis­ters and their place within the body of Christ.

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I was read­ing the lat­est issue of Chris­tian­ity Today this morn­ing when I came across a review for a new book called Torn: Res­cu­ing the Gospel from the Gays vs. Chris­tians Debate.  Pub­lished by new­comer, Jeri­cho Books, Torn is writ­ten by the  founder of the Gay Chris­t­ian Net­work, Justin Lee.  I loved the head­line of the CT review: The Love  We Dare Not Ignore. The review was pos­i­tive, even affirm­ing, of the mes­sage of Justin’s book -

Many of us evan­gel­i­cals may believe that LGBTQ folks are far removed from our churches and min­istries. Surely gays and les­bians are out there, some­where else, not here in our dis­ci­ple­ship small groups or kneel­ing at the Com­mu­nion rail beside us– are they? But if Lee, the God Boy of his high school who could quote John 3:16 in his sleep, is an exam­ple of what it means to be “gay,” then yes, they are. They’re here in our churches, and they’re here to stay, forc­ing us to recon­sider what is might mean to love our own spir­i­tual sib­lings.  (empha­sis by author)

Lee, like many gay Chris­tians, has landed in a place where being gay is not a lia­bil­ity or dis­qual­i­fier to being in a lov­ing rela­tion­ship. Lee cham­pi­ons for gay Chris­tians to be who they are:  attracted to same-​​sex part­ners and devoted to fol­low­ing Jesus.

But the reviewer, an admit­ted celi­bate gay Chris­t­ian, has landed in the more “bib­li­cal” camp by being open about his sex­u­al­ity yet com­mit­ted to a life of celibacy.  Who can’t respect that?  I remem­ber talk­ing at length with a gay Chris­t­ian who said to me, “I wish I could have a part­ner and be in a rela­tion­ship, but I would be in sin. So I have to be alone to obey God.”

The reviewer con­cludes his arti­cle with this:

Con­form­ing our lives to to Scripture’s dif­fi­cult eth­i­cal teach­ing is pre­cisely the way we demon­strate that we’ve made our home in Jesus’ love. And that’s a path that Lee’s book, for all its com­mend­able hon­estly and salu­tary insights, chooses not to explore.

I should have seen that com­ing when in the open­ing  para­graphs of the review the writer puts quo­ta­tion marks around the words “gay’ and “gay Chris­t­ian.” Not sure why he put quo­ta­tion marks, but for me it brought up images of folks using “air quotes” when speak­ing and refer­ring to some­thing that they want to com­mu­ni­cate as “questionable.”

adden­dum : Justin’s book was released today, Nov 13.  For a great syn­chroblog cel­e­brat­ing the release  of Torn, click HERE

I don’t want to bela­bor review­ing a review. I brought it  up since it serves as a great cen­ter­piece to the What If ques­tion of this post:

What if being a gay Chris­t­ian was not controversial?

Another way to ask this is what if gay women and men were uncon­di­tion­ally accepted in the body of Christ with­out regard to their sex­ual ori­en­ta­tion much in the same peo­ple of all races are  uncon­di­tion­ally accepted? What if faith com­mu­ni­ties did not cage their men and women in by their sex­ual iden­tity? What if it was no big deal?

I heard the­olo­gian Phyl­lis Tickle preach a few years ago and she pre­dicted, “The issue of gays in the church will be a non-​​issue within 25 years.”

The church has come a long way in the last 25 years from where we were in the last part of the 20th cen­tury. We are at least hav­ing the con­ver­sa­tion. Gay Chris­tians can, depend­ing where they live, find resources of sup­port and com­mu­nity, if not where they live than most def­i­nitely online, such as with Justin Lee’s Gay Chris­t­ian Net­work. (which, btw, I’ve referred sev­eral gay peo­ple to GCN when they emailed me ask­ing for help. I’m not a gay Chris­t­ian resource, but because I’ve blogged on this topic I some­times get emails from folks who are search­ing for answers.  Like the time a young woman I knew from my charis­matic years emailed me. She wrote, “I love my girl­friend, but I love Jesus, too. Is that ok?” )

I myself have come a long way in the last 25 years. I remem­ber debat­ing my lib­eral minded younger sis­ter when we were in our twen­ties as she tried to defend “the gay lifestyle” and I solemnly con­demned it as an abom­i­na­tion for “that’s what the Bible says.” Less than ten years ago, when the Defense of Mar­riage Act (DOMA) was a blaz­ing con­tro­versy fueled by the 2004 pres­i­den­tial elec­tion,  I helped orga­nize a prayer meet­ing to rally Chris­tians together to pro­tect the insti­tu­tion of mar­riage from becom­ing cor­rupted by legal­iz­ing same-​​sex unions.

So what if churches accepted gay peo­ple with­out dust­ing up con­tro­versy? I remem­ber one church leader lament­ing how she wanted to offi­ci­ate a same-​​sex com­mit­ment cer­e­mony for a young woman she cared deeply about, but she knew that it would spin her faith com­mu­nity into a tor­nado of divi­sive­ness. She had to say no in order to pre­vent dis­unity from frac­tur­ing the flock.

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Author and founder of The Marin Foun­da­tion, Andrew Marin,  wrote a gem of a book a few years back, Love is an Ori­en­ta­tion, that squarely con­fronts the fear and hes­i­ta­tion of faith com­mu­ni­ties to keep their dis­tance from our gay brethren. Andrew, whom I met and spoke with when he was in Port­land a cou­ple years ago, is ded­i­cated to bridg­ing the gap between gay and Chris­t­ian com­mu­ni­ties.  In an effort to cul­ti­vate rec­on­cil­i­a­tion, he won’t pub­licly declare whether or not he thinks the Bible can be inter­preted con­demn­ing homo­sex­u­al­ity or if homo­sex­u­al­ity is some­thing that the Bible can affirm. He does nei­ther in his deter­mi­na­tion to avoid deep­en­ing the chasm between gays and Chris­tians, but he does make clear that he is com­mit­ted  to being a  cham­pion for the love and accep­tance of gay men and women every­where, includ­ing in the church. ( My review of Andrew’s excel­lent book can be found HERE)

So back to my ques­tion : What if being a gay Chris­t­ian was not controversial? 

That is what is miss­ing the most, our miss­ing mem­bers who do not have free­dom to be among us for we are too busy debat­ing whether or not that being gay is moral, amoral or immoral.  

For starters, books like Andrew’s and Justin’s would not be nec­es­sary. There would be no gap­ing hole of hurt and mis­un­der­stand­ing for writ­ers to her­ald. It would be like some­one try­ing to pub­lish a book on why slaves ought to be allowed to be ordained.

If homo­sex­u­al­ity was a non-​​controversial issue in the world of church, our gay broth­ers and sis­ters would be unhin­dered from con­tribut­ing with their gifts and tal­ents and Pres­ence. That is what we ‘re miss­ing the most, our miss­ing mem­bers who do not have free­dom to be among us for we are too busy debat­ing whether or not that being gay is moral, amoral or immoral.

I hope Phyl­lis Tickle is right. I hope that within 25 years the church col­lec­tive will look back with bewil­der­ment and won­der, Why did we make such a fuss?

But that day is not today. Today gay men and women have to make dif­fi­cult deci­sions of whether or not to come out to their fam­i­lies, bio­log­i­cal as well as spir­i­tual. Many will endure rejec­tion to one degree or another. Many will expe­ri­ence some dis­tanc­ing of their church if not out­right shun­ning. An acquain­tance of mine, Tim­o­thy Kurek, became intrigued by this and con­ducted a year long exper­i­ment of pre­tend­ing to be gay to see what that would be like in his com­mu­nity. The result is a new book that comes out later this month, and though I’m not sure what I think about deceiv­ing the peo­ple around us for a social exper­i­ment, gay men and women are all too famil­iar with hid­ing who they  really are just to stay in fellowship.

So what if being a gay Chris­t­ian was not controversial?

The church would be all the more rich, in my opin­ion, just as it is when the ques­tion of women in lead­er­ship is not debated but is prac­ticed. When the prac­tice of accept­ing our gay brethren for who they are, cre­ated in the image of God as much as straight men and women are,  is a wide reach­ing reality,then that day, I believe, will be the day the body of Christ will be less torn and closer to reflect­ing the whole Gospel of Jesus to our bro­ken humanity.

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I’ve writ­ten about homo­sex­u­al­ity a lot in the past. Here’s some posts to consider:

***I wel­come your thoughts on this. Whether you agree with what I’ve writ­ten here, dis­agree, or are in that unsure place of sort­ing it out, let’s dia­log about this. Espe­cially if you are gay or love some­one who is. I espe­cially would like to know if you agree with Phyl­lis Tickle’s pre­dic­tion. Do you think being gay will be a non-​​issue 25 years from now?

 

 

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What If … Being a Gay Chris­t­ian Was Not Controversial? — 26 Comments

  1. Great blog, Pam. My response would be that Tickle is wrong. The issue isn’t dying, but churches which embrace her view are dying at an alarm­ing rate. Faster even than other churches in the West, and that takes some doing. I won­der, though, after read­ing this “What if…” entry, on what basis you make any the­o­log­i­cal or eth­i­cal claims. The Bible isn’t the least bit ambigu­ous in its rejec­tion of same sex sex­ual acts. Though some seek to argue oth­er­wise, their work doesn’t pass a straight face test, and more and more lib­eral schol­ars and the­olo­gians are sim­ply mov­ing “beyond” scrip­ture as norm. Those who place expe­ri­ence above scrip­ture in the hier­ar­chy (bad word for some, but whatev’) seem more hon­est in their deal­ing with scrip­ture and tra­di­tion than those per­form­ing rather heroic hermeneu­ti­cal gym­nas­tics in order to arrive at an accept­able “bib­li­cal” stance. In any event, I appre­ci­ate your will­ing­ness to share your thoughts on the mat­ter and to pro­vide a forum for oth­ers to do the same. Here are a few URLs to what I con­sider fair treat­ments of the issue.

    http://​www​.beliefnet​.com/​F​a​i​t​h​s​/​C​h​r​i​s​t​i​a​n​i​t​y​/​2​0​0​4​/​0​4​/​H​o​m​o​s​e​x​u​a​l​i​t​y​-​R​e​b​e​l​l​i​o​n​-​A​g​a​i​n​s​t​-​G​o​d​.​a​spx
    http://​holytrin​i​tynewrochelle​.org/​y​o​u​r​t​i​9​2​8​8​1​.​h​tml
    http://​www​.rob​gagnon​.net/​J​a​n​e​t​-​M​e​f​f​e​r​d​-​P​r​e​m​i​u​m​_​2​0​1​2​_​0​4​_​1​0​_​H​R​_​3​.​mp3

    • HI Randy
      Thanks for your thought­ful and respect­ful com­ment. I appre­ci­ate you tak­ing the time to respond to this article.

      The Bible is not as clear as one would think. The pas­sages in Romans, for exam­ple, have been attrib­uted by some schol­ars to be a ref­er­ence to the Greek prac­tice at that time of ped­erasty — - older men tak­ing boys under their tute­lage but instead of just teach­ing them a craft or trade, they would also use the boys sex­u­ally. There are schol­ars who sup­pose that Paul is address­ing the issues in con­text of his time of sex­ual abuse and exploita­tion of one over another. It is not as clear as one would think once you engage in explor­ing mul­ti­ple perspectives.

      I’m not sure what you mean by those schol­ars that “move beyond scrip­ture as norm.” Cer­tainly you would agree that our ancient sacred text deserves to be viewed in light of cul­tural and social con­text? Oth­er­wise, women ought not to cut their hair, wear jew­elry and we should each greet one another with a holy kiss.

      The Bible has been inter­preted to exclude var­i­ous peo­ple groups over the ages. Women are one exam­ple (and still endure sex­ism defended in the name of God and the Bible to this day) and also our black broth­ers and sis­ters were once thought as less than (thus, the civil war in amer­ica which was a national divide over slav­ery includ­ing a divided church. our chris­t­ian ances­tors defended the prac­tice of slav­ery by invok­ing scripture.….)

      Human sex­u­al­ity is com­plex. I respect your view­point and I once shared it. But I no longer do and I do not think it takes hermeneu­ti­cal gym­nas­tics to change per­spec­tive any more than it took hermeneu­ti­cal gym­nas­tics to change per­spec­tive about slav­ery and women (which is still highly con­tro­ver­sial and debated in churches around the world. women that is.)

      Thanks for the links. When I have some time I will go take a peek. On the run today to get blog chores done before I go to work.

      But let me ask you this : if you are infer­ring that churches who affirm homo­sex­u­al­ity are dying out, then would this not infer that God does indeed have a hier­ar­chy of sins and that homo­sex­u­al­ity is con­sid­ered a severe sin? If this were the case, then it is indeed bewil­der­ing that God would die out churches where same-​​sex cou­ples are affirmed in their love for each other, but does not shrink up those churches where money and finan­cial schemes pro­duce greed-​​driven lead­er­ship and extrav­a­gant pompous Sun­day morn­ing theatrics.

      Your thoughts???

      • Thanks for the response Pam. This is really funny, Pam. You and I are sort of mir­ror images of each other. I long held the view you seem to hold, or are at least explor­ing. I am an ordained pas­tor in the Chris­t­ian Church (Dis­ci­ples of Christ), and spent the bulk of my “pro­fes­sional life” (I’m 54 now) pas­tor­ing churches in that denom­i­na­tion. The­o­log­i­cally I fit in quite well there, which is to say, I was left of cen­ter. A few things I was read­ing led me to ques­tion some of my con­clu­sions or pre­sup­po­si­tions, maybe (this was in the area of his­tor­i­cal Jesus stud­ies, but it got the snow­ball rolling down­hill, I guess). Any­way, over a period of about a decade I made a slow, but decided shift to what I con­sider a the­o­log­i­cal posi­tion more in keep­ing with the con­sen­sus fidelium. Not sur­pris­ingly, con­sid­er­ing this shift began with Jesus stud­ies, my Chris­tol­ogy moved first, but most every­thing else fol­lowed. I am famil­iar with Scroggs and oth­ers who main­tain that ped­eras­try was Paul’s pri­mary tar­get. In fact, I taught a class in my church on the sub­ject about 15 years ago and landed where you are. Five years ago, I used Scroggs again, but this time more as a foil, and landed on the oppo­site side of the whole deal.

        I apol­o­gize if what I wrote came across as an attack or in any way belit­tling of your posi­tion and how you arrived there. What I mean is, schol­ars who inter­pret the texts on homo­sex­u­al­ity to do any­thing other than pro­vide a blan­ket con­dem­na­tion of same sex sex­ual acts must (in my view) reject the most nat­ural read­ing of the text and then through some admirable inge­nu­ity, develop a read­ing that com­ports nei­ther with what we know of the uni­ver­sally held Jew­ish ethic of that day, nor with that of the ear­li­est Chris­t­ian com­mu­nity. I would con­tend (can I do that with­out being con­tentious?) that while the Bible has been used to exclude oth­ers (women, blacks), there is a def­i­nite dif­fer­ence with the issue of homo­sex­u­al­ity. To begin with, the seed of inclu­siv­ity w/​re to women specif­i­cally was sown early and by Jesus him­self. Not to men­tion God’s choice of women as the first to share the news if the res­ur­rec­tion, and Paul’s recog­ni­tion that in Christ the old dis­tinc­tions that so mat­tered once upon a time no longer do. The gen­eral move­ment with regard to women in the NT was pos­i­tive, pro­gres­sive even. I think we (males) com­pletely missed Paul’s point in the “let women be silent” type pas­sages, but that is for another day, I guess. With re to slaves, at least slaves who were in Christ, Phile­mon blazes a new and dynamic trail of free­dom and respect, even if it did not gspeak as explic­itly as one might hope. But with re to the ques­tion before us, there is no such move­ment. Noth­ing but a con­sis­tent rejec­tion of the acts so asso­ci­ated. To my way of think­ing, that is telling.

        I ws not mean­ing to imply that churches that embrace this view are dying out. I was stat­ing it as objec­tive fact. The num­bers are there to read. They are in dra­matic, alarm­ing decline. More so than other churches. I would not say, how­ever, that this decline is because of some hier­ar­chy of sin, but because these churches, gen­er­ally speak­ing, have rejected the great ecu­meni­cal con­sen­sus that stretches back to the NT times regard­ing the per­son and work of Jesus Christ the author­ity of scrip­ture. In other words, they no longer hold to what I would call “the faith once for all deliv­ered to the saints,” and it shows up most tellingly in their views of who Jesus is, why he mat­ters, and what our author­ity is in the church. I write this with great pain, hav­ing con­tributed to this, and hav­ing left it for churches I per­ceive to be more, but hardly per­fectly, faith­ful. Yes, some­times we are greedy, dis­hon­est, and osten­ta­tious in our wor­ship “per­for­mances.” My expe­ri­ence is that these are not unique to more con­ser­v­a­tive churches, but are human issues that rear their heads in all churches.

        Thanks again. I see this is pretty long (see? I am a pas­tor!), and I get it if you don’t respond. Keep up the great writ­ing, Pam.

  2. Thanks for the great post, Pam! I got a pre-​​release copy of Justin’s book at the Wild Goose Fes­ti­val, and it is an amaz­ing work. I would have to dis­agree with the review you saw that said that Torn doesn’t explore the dif­fi­cult eth­i­cal teach­ings of scrip­ture. Much to the con­trary, it is the story of a sin­cere jour­ney to do just that. And Chris­tians come to dif­fer­ent con­clu­sions, as the author [Wes­ley Hill?] of the review did. I think Torn will be use­ful for any­one who wants more insight into the human­ity of grow­ing up gay and Chris­t­ian. If you ask ques­tions like: Are you really gay from a very young age? Did you have a bad home life? Did you turn away from God? Why do you have to call your­self gay? Then this book will help you understand.

    And as a plug for the Gay Chris­t­ian Net­work, there’s a con­fer­ence in Phoenix Jan­u­ary 10 – 13, 2013. I’ve been to the last two and highly rec­om­mend it. (It’s also a place to get the more charis­matic wor­ship where you are accepted for being Chris­t­ian, and your jour­ney and con­clu­sions on scrip­ture are hon­ored as your own jour­ney.) Just go to gay​chris​t​ian​.net/​c​o​n​f​e​r​e​nce for more info.

    • Good to know! Thanks for let­ting us know that Torn is indeed a good book and also about the GCN con­fer­ence. I trust that there are some read­ers out there that will find this very help­ful. Gay Chris­tians must be one of the biggest minori­ties around!! Def need to sup­port one another.

      Thanks again for adding to this con­ver­sa­tion. It is folks like YOU who give me hope for the future of the rag­ing beauty that we love known as the Church.

  3. I believe that Tickle is onto some­thing because there are those of us who see a bet­ter way and will not be silent until we see that way become a real­ity. We need to be peace­mak­ers who rec­on­cile, but for good­ness sake, we can’t be silent any longer.

    Thanks for your voice and this post. I’m start­ing a new series called “Our Emp­ty­ing Church” and this is some­thing I plan to address. My major audi­ence is con­ser­v­a­tive evangelical’s so this should be inter­est­ing. Would LOVE your voice there as I am quite sure we are kin­dred spir­its on sev­eral of these issues.

    • HI kate,
      I have got to pop by your blog to see if you began your series. Love the topic! I just posted today ask­ing, What if women didn’t show up for church?

      I’m with you on the Tickle fore­cast. yes, tra­di­tion­al­ism runs deep, but there is def­i­nitely a spirit of agi­ta­tion on this gen­er­a­tion. The winds of change are gust­ing up!

      I’ll be sure to come by your blog and jump into what­ever convo you got stirred up!

  4. I heard Phyl­lis Tickle say the same thing. We were, I think, at the same meet­ing. And yes, I agree. I do think in 25 years it will be a non-​​issue. Not for all churches, of course, just like the role of woman is still an issue in cer­tain faith com­mu­ni­ties, the gay issue will con­tinue to be an issue in some faith com­mu­ni­ties. But for the most part, the pre­dic­tion will hold true.

    • Off the map…yes? That the was the last OTM event, can’t remem­ber the year. She was amaz­ing. Amazing!

      Totally love lis­ten­ing to her. I think and hope her fore­cast is accu­rate. Thanks for commenting!

  5. I’ll have to go back and catch up with your other posts on this topic! But sadly, no, I don’t think this will be a non-​​issue in 25 years. Social change is slow, and the church changes even more slowly. The long arc of his­tory bends towards jus­tice, but it bends very slowly.

    I think the most impor­tant thing to remem­ber is that this isn’t just an “issue” — this is about peo­ple and whether or not they are included and accepted within the church. I found it very inter­est­ing to read recently that accep­tance of mar­riage equal­ity in a soci­ety improves the men­tal health of many LGBTQ peo­ple, includ­ing those who do not want to marry! It is a marker for social accep­tance and respect.

    So if being a gay Chris­t­ian was not con­tro­ver­sial (as it should not be) there would be more happy, healthy Chris­tians in the church! There would be less teenage despair and sui­cides, and I think there would be a more healthy atti­tude to sex­u­al­ity than there cur­rently is. The cur­rent sex­ual atti­tudes are very black and white: mar­ried or engag­ing in illicit sex? I think if we could move to a more nuanced view of rela­tion­ships that would help us all.

    • Hi Eliz­a­beth, yes, peo­ple are not the issue. Our per­cep­tions and reli­gious prej­u­dices are. I hope it will be mostly a non­is­sue in 25 years. This next gen­er­a­tion give me great hope.

      Thanks for adding your voice here!

  6. Inter­est­ing ques­tion. The only good answer I can come up with is to fol­low the two major teach­ings of Jesus that should inform our rela­tion­ships: “Love Your Neigh­bor:, and “Do Not Judge”. That makes it a lot eas­ier to deal with the “small print” issues we all deal with as we tip toe through a life of dif­fi­cult ques­tions, foil­bles, sit­u­a­tions and differences.

  7. In Andrew Marin’s book we will find some very real and per­haps dis­turb­ing facts that the Marin Foun­da­tion has com­piled over the pre­vi­ous 10+ years..namely that 86% of the LGBT com­mu­nity grew up in the church. This incred­i­ble com­mu­nity IS far removed from the church and with good reason..talk is cheap. Real love is demon­strated over time, within and with­out con­flict and more often than not, with­out understanding..the church and by that I mean all of us need to get over our own fears and com­fort zones and become engaged where peo­ple really live and love to the best of our abilities..till then, its just reli­gion. (Skip the spot­lights and micro­phones too)

    • Hi Ron!
      Thanks for your com­ment. I’m with you… That was a great evening when Andrew Marin was here. His ded­i­ca­tion to help­ing bridge rela­tion­ship between the gay and xtian com­mu­nity is admirable.

      It took a process of years for me to unravel from rigid beliefism about my gay broth­ers and sis­ters. I don’t want to err by judg­ing Chris­tians who lit­er­ally inter­pret the Bible as con­demn­ing gays, so I am like you in that I want to empha­size God’s inclu­sive love. No mat­ter what our inter­pre­ta­tion of scrip­ture is, surely we can all agree on this!

  8. Pam– this is a great post! Thank you for your com­ments on this sub­ject, but most of all thank you for being will­ing to evolve. This is not com­mon in in the Chris­t­ian realm. If this wasn’t an issue I as a gay Chris­t­ian would not feel lost. I wouldn’t have had to leave being a min­is­ter in my denom­i­na­tion because of my being gay. I am thank­ful for voices like yours which are becom­ing louder than the hate. I pray that this soon will become a non point. Love the book Love is an Ori­en­ta­tion and now I will have to read the other

    • Jen, thanks so much for telling some of your story. Have you ever accessed The Gay Chris­t­ian Net­work? My het­ero impres­sion of it is that it pro­vides thought­ful bib­li­cal resources as well as a port for com­mu­nity. I’d love your thoughts about them from your POV as a gay Christian.

      So ate you active in any church?? Would you if you could? I know there are a small num­ber of faith tribes that are welcoming.

      • Pam — Yes I have accessed The Gay Chris­t­ian Net­work and I love it. It has been so help­ful to me and my jour­ney. I do not believe I would have been able to make the strides in accep­tance of myself with­out it. It is a very impor­tant tool for those of us who are gay and Chris­t­ian. I wish I could just write that I was a Chris­t­ian and not have to say a gay chris­t­ian. Why can’t we all just be Chris­t­ian? Hon­estly I would love to be more active in a church, but it is hard for me to find one where I feel com­fort­able. Com­fort­able mean­ing how I was used to wor­ship­ing. I was raised in an Assem­blies of God church ulti­mately becom­ing a min­is­ter in this denom­i­na­tion and end­ing my career as a min­is­ter in a Charis­matic church. Most of the churches which accept the LGBT com­mu­nity are those of litur­gi­cal nature. While I have really come to appre­ci­ate this it is hard for me to make the changes to be com­fort­able going all the time. I long for less struc­ture and more wor­ship. It is also hard to find good churches in the area I am in. I live in the San Fran­cisco Bay Area where one would think it would be easy, but in the end it is not. Being a Chris­t­ian in this area and gay is not as wel­come as peo­ple would think it would be. Chris­tian­ity is a dirty word here. I long for the fel­low­ship of believ­ers, but most of the gay peo­ple my age do not attend church because of the voices of the reli­gious people.

        One last thing before I close out this incred­i­bly long post (for this I apol­o­gize). I am not sure for all peo­ple who iden­tify as gay if it is hard for them or not, but even sit­ting in an affirm­ing church it is still hard to feel the accep­tance of God. One spends so many years in the church hear­ing how they are hated by God it only makes it harder to feel love.

        • Hi Jen,
          So good to hear that the GCN has been so help­ful for you.

          I totally hear ya : to be a Chris­t­ian instead if a Gay Chris­t­ian. That would be like women hav­ing to be Female Christian!!

          I appre­ci­ate what you’re say­ing too about the long­ing for a charis­matic accept­ing church. That’s your tribe. I have yet to hear of a sin­gle charis­matic church that wel­comes and affirms gay men and women. I have heard of self-​​described “gay friendly” churches. What’s your take on that? And then I’ll tell you mine !

          • Hi Pam
            I like your exam­ple about say­ing a woman would need to be called a female Chris­t­ian. The level of label­ing baf­fles me in the reli­gious world. I remem­ber in Bible col­lege I took a class on cor­rect label­ing of churches and indi­vid­u­als. It was one of the weirder classes I took.

            There used to be a charis­matic church here in the bay area led by a les­bian and her wife, but the church was unable to main­tain due to sev­eral dif­fer­ent issues. There are a few here and there, but they are hard to come by. Let me say I really like the dis­cus­sion here with every­one. I don’t expect every­one in the church to embrace me fully, but I do believe God calls us to respect and love one another. I have told my friends and fam­ily who do not accept my choices that I respect their opin­ion and am will­ing to dia­logue about it , but lets talk adult not chil­dren at recess fight­ing over a ball.

            I think the term “gay friendly” is a cop out. I believe its a way of say­ing we will accept you as gay as long as you fol­low our rules. Its a we don’t really believe that gay peo­ple are okay in the light of the word, but we have to look cool to soci­ety so we are going to say we are friendly towards you. In turn you must not be in a rela­tion­ship, must not start one and actively try not to be gay. This is prob­a­bly not the case for all of those who say they are “gay friendly” this is just what I have observed from try­ing dif­fer­ent churches.

            • jen thanks so much for adding your voice, expe­ri­ence and per­spec­tive to this dis­cus­sion. this is one of the things i LOVE about the inter­net : learn­ing from others.

              yes, i think the gay friendly thing is not quite on mark either. imag­ine if a church adver­tised itself as “women friendly” or “black friendly.” That would be off­fen­sive, right?? It smacks of patron­iz­ing another who is des­ig­nated as receiv­ing “favor” and being wel­come to come despite their lower stand­ing. ugh.

              We are mak­ing progress, though. And even though “gay friendly” sounds so unfriendly, it was not even on the radar of any church a mere gen­er­a­tion ago!