What If … Women Were in the Pulpit?

In this week’s What If… series I write about the issue of women and the pul­pit. In the world of Chris­t­ian cul­ture, most churches are male-​​centered in lead­er­ship and preach­ing. What if that changed? What if women were in the pul­pit, too, lead­ing and teach­ing in con­gre­ga­tions the world over? Let’s talk about that!

*****

The first time I heard a woman give a mes­sage from behind a pul­pit I had been a Chris­t­ian for about three years. Up to that time, I had only heard men preach and had only seen men pas­tor. Of course I had seen women min­is­ter in women’s min­istries and Sun­day school, the side min­istries if I may call it that. But I never saw a woman along side the men in church­wide pub­lic lead­er­ship or teach­ing. I had to leave Amer­ica – and the church – before I did.

I had moved to Hong Kong to serve Jesus in Youth With a Mis­sion. My train­ing school was meant to be co-​​led by a hus­band and wife team. The hus­band became quite sick and was bedrid­den dur­ing most of our train­ing. His wife led us, all on her own, week after week. She shared many times and exer­cised spir­i­tual lead­er­ship and author­ity with no observ­able hin­drance. I was in awe. I had never seen a woman lead like this. I didn’t think too much about it, and thought of her as a YWAM leader. She was not a pas­tor so this helped me accept her lead­er­ship. I was an evan­gel­i­cal Chris­t­ian young woman and accept­ing a woman as pas­tor would have been like try­ing to let a grade school kid drive my car. It just didn’t seem right or proper or even safe.

From that time on my world got rocked over and over again as I saw many women with tremen­dous lead­er­ship and pas­toral gift­ing. They were not debat­ing their call. They were doing it. One such woman was leg­endary Jackie Pullinger, a British mis­sion­ary who had landed in Hong Kong in the six­ties and attained a high level pro­file. She had man­aged to pen­e­trate one of South­east Asia’s most dan­ger­ous urban areas:  The Walled City. A law­less, gang-​​ridden part of Hong Kong that was exempt from local author­i­ties due to a tech­ni­cal­ity in land usage. Jackie estab­lished a min­istry there and began to help pro­vide rehab hous­ing for heroin addicts who were des­per­ate for Jesus to heal them.

What if women were free to move in and out of the pul­pit with­out a No Girls Allowed gate bar­ring them? 

She writes in her book, Chas­ing the Dragon, that she dis­cov­ered that women work­ers were more effec­tive than men work­ers. The agi­tated addict with­draw­ing from heroin could become vio­lent and were known to hit male work­ers. But they would restrain them­selves from strik­ing out at female work­ers. This is how many women became not only rehab min­is­ters but also spir­i­tual min­is­ters in the work Jackie did around Hong Kong. There was no male/​female divide in who the Holy Spirit would empower to serve and save the lost.…or preach the word or dis­ci­ple the addict. The work of God was free, unhin­dered by social con­structs that many have corseted the Bible with.

It gets me think­ing. What if women the world over were free to preach and min­is­ter like the women in Jackie’s min­istry were? What if women were free to move in and out of the pul­pit with­out a No Girls Allowed gate bar­ring them?

Here’s an excerpt from my book Unla­dy­like: Resist­ing the Injus­tice of Inequal­ity in the Church:

I once prayed with a young woman who had secretly felt a deep call to the pas­torate, but she had no men­tal frame­work to accom­mo­date such a desire. Peo­ple she loved and respected had taught her that girls do not grow up to be pas­tors. Not with overt ser­mons in her mod­er­ate church, but by the nature of the face of her church — exclu­sive male lead­er­ship and Bible teach­ing her entire life that exalted male power, as well as the glar­ing omis­sion of women teach­ing from the Sun­day pul­pit — these were the unspo­ken yet pow­er­ful mes­sages she soaked into her lit­tle girl heart over and over again, so that by the time ado­les­cence came and with it the inspi­ra­tion to teach and preach, she had nowhere to go with her sense of call­ing, except the rails of shame and guilt for hav­ing such a desire.

The polite oppres­sion of her iden­tity as female was a velvet-​​lined cell that offered her com­fort if she remained in the sta­tus quo of tra­di­tion­al­ism. What she did not know was that lib­er­a­tion into her full human­ity and fem­i­nine power was not anti-​​biblical nor anti-​​God, and not even anti-​​church or anti-​​man. No, the only thing it threat­ened was anti-​​traditionalism for with­out a doubt the force of a woman’s will­ing sub­servience in the world of church is her com­mit­ment to uphold the sys­tem of tra­di­tion that put her there in the first place.

What she did not know was that lib­er­a­tion into her full human­ity and fem­i­nine power was not anti-​​biblical nor anti-​​God, and not even anti-​​church or anti-​​man.

What if young women like the one in this excerpt had total free­dom to pur­sue the call on their lives, full access to bloom in their gift and flour­ish within the church behind or in front of the pul­pit? What would the church look like if women (on a global scale!) did not hold women back?

I want to offer three traits I think we would see in greater mea­sure if women were in fair col­lab­o­ra­tion with our broth­ers in every realm of min­istry and spir­i­tual lead­er­ship, pul­pit included :

  • Churches would be more nur­tur­ing and hos­pitable.  It is a no-​​brainer that women are nat­u­rally good at build­ing rela­tion­ships and wel­com­ing home the for­got­ten son and daugh­ter. We are gath­er­ers. Jesus used shep­herd­ing metaphors in some of his sto­ry­telling about the mis­sion of the church. Women are nat­ural shep­herds. There would be a greater level of shep­herd­ing and rela­tional nur­tur­ing even women were truly let loose in the upper echalons of church government. 
  • Issues of mar­riage, fam­ily and domes­tic cri­sis would be addressed fre­quently. I once heard a mar­riage coun­selor lament that pas­tors did so lit­tle to address mar­i­tal issues from the pul­pit. “They say they can’t because then their phone would ring off the hook. They are not equipped to help,” she reported. I think, how­ever, that if women were more involved in pul­pit min­istry and church lead­er­ship on a wide scale, that it would become ingrained in our faith com­mu­ni­ties to be sure to know how to address family/​marriage cri­sis.  These are the rela­tion­ships that mat­ter most to women (and men) and women know how impor­tant it is for faith com­mu­ni­ties to address them head on. Fam­ily mat­ters would become more cen­tral, I imag­ine, if women were com­monly pos­sess­ing lead­er­ship roles.
  • More Par­ties.  This is what I think. Women love to hang out and talk sur­rounded by fam­ily, friends and FOOD!  Rather than just put women in charge of orga­niz­ing the next potluck or cater­ing the next pastor’s con­fer­ence, what if women were PASTORS and lead­ers and in their churches and were able to lead party gath­er­ings for the ben­e­fit of all? I like to think that if women were more abun­dant in lead­er­ship, the body of Christ would party a whole lot more.

So those are my thoughts. I’m a dreamer. I want to dream what the church can become when women and men are in true part­ner­ship behind and beyond the pul­pit. I didn’t even take time to write here about how Bible teach­ing could be affected or the Sun­day ser­vice. Wow. Imag­ine those changesd!

These are just some of my ideas. What are some of yours?  How do you think church would look dif­fer­ent if women were behind the pulpit?

Did this post res­onate with you? Pass it on!

Comments

What If … Women Were in the Pulpit? — 20 Comments

  1. Thank God for the Salvos! Since the begin­ning women have been lead­ers . Even lead­ers of the whole move­ment . The cur­rent Gen­eral is a Cana­dian woman . When ” called ” to min­istry both hus­band and wife train together and they are ordained together. I grew up within this denom­i­na­tion. I am an oldie now and attend an Angli­can church here in Aus­tralia but the church that I attend won’t have a woman speak in the pul­pit .Syd­ney Angli­can­ism at its worst.

  2. Pam, thank you again and again for your insight­ful agi­tat­ing :) you are a trea­sure! I get what you are say­ing, and I’m so grate­ful for you. Church would look so dif­fer­ently if women were vis­i­ble and were co-​​leaders. I think it would be more con­ver­sa­tional. Per­haps a woman’s co-​​pastoring would bring bal­ance to pul­pit preach­ing. Instead of strictly the use of a pulpit/​congregation model, women would tap into their multi-​​tasking abil­i­ties to mix it up. Have some Q&A ses­sions with those sit­ting in the pews. There would be a lot less sleep­ing in church!

  3. Hi, I found your blog through a link on a friend’s blog; so I’m new here. And I must be hon­est and say that I dis­agree — so there’s my bias, upfront. Now, I don’t want to cause a fight because that would’t solve any­thing at all — just want­ing to engage in con­ver­sa­tion since all your other com­ments have been in agree­ment with you. Con­sider me iron sharp­en­ing your iron :)

    Here’s my ques­tion: why would a woman need to be the pastor/​church leader to imple­ment the three results you men­tion (nurturing/​hospitable envi­ron­ment, address­ing of marriage/​family issues, and par­ties)? Could those not be imple­mented by women lay lead­ers? What I see in scrip­ture is women dea­cons, women teach­ing women, women (along­side their hus­band) teach­ing men (Priscilla and Aquilla), women lov­ing their hus­bands to faith in Christ, women teach­ing their chil­dren to love the Lord, etc… Women serv­ing the Lord through serv­ing oth­ers in the church.

    At my church I am not the pas­tor, nor is my hus­band, though both my hus­band and I have M.Div degrees from sem­i­nary (my apolo­gies to Lisa D). At church we are sim­ply lay­men — no church leader titles for either of us. How­ever when I see some­one new (or any­one for that mat­ter) I greet them and make them feel wel­come, when I learn of a wife who is strug­gling in her mar­riage or with her chil­dren I encour­age her (as I seek encour­age­ment when I am in that sit­u­a­tion), when I learn of a hus­band who is strug­gling I tell my hus­band, and when it’s time to party; trust me I’m there :) I guess my point is you don’t need a “title” to do these things.

    • Melissa Ann — I so appre­ci­ate your respect­ful pres­ence and gra­cious spirit. I do dis­agree with you (and with pul­pit use in gen­eral). But, if a church is going to use a pul­pit, is it not a huge prob­lem for those in the con­gre­ga­tion to NEVER hear from a woman? To never visu­ally see a woman? I’m talk­ing the visual aspect alone of what goes on in most churches dur­ing a wor­ship ser­vice. To not SEE a woman con­tin­ues the view that females are less worthy…expendable…not needed, when God says both gen­ders were made in His image. What we should be doing is exactly the oppo­site of what we cur­rently do in church. We should be see­ing both male and female so much that the dis­tinc­tions are no longer there. We should be sim­ply view­ing peo­ple as peo­ple first. Not male or female first. Instead…view some­one as a per­son who has an encour­age­ment, word, or song from the Lord. The only way to do this is to have both rep­re­sented and visual, all the time, equally, shar­ing together, lead­ing together, wor­ship­ing the Lord together. If we don’t move toward this, then abuse, oppres­sion, and vio­lence towards women and girls will keep being fos­tered unknow­ingly by the insti­tu­tional church. I’m not try­ing to blame all oppres­sion on this alone, as I know there is per­sonal respon­si­bil­ity, etc. — but it is a huge part of it.

      • Hi Lau­rie,

        Thanks for receiv­ing my com­ment in the spirit in which it was given. :) I’m a lit­tle con­fused by your com­ment because the orig­i­nal post seems to be refer­ring to women in the pas­torate but you seem to be com­ment­ing on women being vis­i­ble in min­is­ter­ing (not nec­es­sar­ily as the pas­tor) so per­haps I’m mis­read­ing — if so, please cor­rect me.

        You are right — God cre­ated both gen­ders in his image (Gen­e­sis 1:27) and in Christ there is no male or female (Gala­tians 3:28). In a spir­i­tual sense, we are the same — that’s why Eph­esians 1:5 says we were “pre­des­tined for adop­tions as “sons” not sons & daugh­ters, because sons received the inher­i­tance in 1st cen­tury Chris­tian­ity — both male and female are con­sid­ered sons as in we are both heirs to the inher­i­tance in Christ.

        How­ever we do not live in the spir­i­tual world; but in the earthly, phys­i­cal world where there is male and female. We are dif­fer­ent. Phys­i­cally we are dif­fer­ent. Emo­tion­ally we are dif­fer­ent. The way we view the world is dif­fer­ent. Some of this may be cul­tural, but a lot of this has to do with sim­ply being female or male. This is why the Bible addresses gen­der issues so often (Eph­esians 5, Titus 2, Proverbs 31, etc…)

        If your con­cern is sim­ply that women are vis­i­ble — pray­ing, singing, giv­ing tes­ti­mony, read­ing Scrip­ture, and other Bible-​​permitted ser­vices then I’m all with you. Women should be involved. I can only think of a hand­ful of fun­da­men­tal churches/​denominations where women are not allowed to do any­thing in church, but sim­ply be silent spec­ta­tors. Main­stream protes­tantism cel­e­brates the gift­ings of women in min­istry (min­istry as set out in Scrip­ture). So with respects to the issue of women being “vis­i­ble” (not as pas­tor) I think your grave con­cern is a bit overzeal­ous as the major­ity of churches allow women to be “visible.”

        How­ever, if your con­cern is that women be allowed to pas­tor (which seems to be the intent of the orig­i­nal post unless I’ve mis­read) then I can’t agree on Bib­li­cal prin­ci­ples. I’m a com­pli­men­ta­r­ian at heart. Male and female are dif­fer­ent — one is not bet­ter or worse or weird — but dif­fer­ent. There­fore they have dif­fer­ent roles. This is observ­able in nature (child­bear­ing, world­view, nurt­ing, etc…) why would it not be the same in the church (1 Corinthi­ans 11 addresses this in what I see as sym­bol­ism — the “head cov­er­ing” being not an acu­tal head cov­er­ing, but sym­bolic of being under authority.)

        I think if we, women, spent more time focus­ing on how we can serve oth­ers in the name of Christ (whether it is in pub­lic or not) we’d be less “annoyed” by what we see as male-​​centered church. Isn’t that the root of the first sin any­way? “Thanks God for all these allow­able fruits for me — that are deli­cious and nutri­tious — but I want that one that you said is not for me.”  — “Thanks God for all these women, chil­dren, my broth­ers in Christ, my hus­band that you have placed in my life for me to min­is­ter to — but I want to be in the lime­light, I want to be noticed, I want to be the leader.”

        Again, thanks for receiv­ing my com­ments gra­ciously. Love debat­ing and toss­ing around ideas :)

        Because Christ is wor­thy,
        Melissa Ann

  4. Yes, to all of the above. I’m not in Amer­ica, and I have a female pas­tor (two, actu­ally). Yes, our church is (IMHO) very nur­tur­ing and hos­pitable. Yes, there is more of a focus on fam­i­lies, rela­tion­ships and chil­dren than at other churches I have attended. And YES, we have food, we have par­ties and we have more food! “Table hos­pi­tal­ity” is a big focus for our min­is­ter — every school hol­i­days we have “brunch church” where we all sit down to a table together and eat and talk and learn together, all ages.

    I’ll also add that our church out­reach is emi­nently *prac­ti­cal*. Food for the sick, food for the new moth­ers, cards and calls for those who are absent unex­pect­edly. A food pantry for the poor and a par­tic­u­lar local focus on the men­tally ill (a large pop­u­la­tion in our area). Other churches I have been in do more of the “invit­ing peo­ple to come to sem­i­nars” kind of thing. Our church does invit­ing peo­ple to come for the FOOD — and we take the food out to other people!

    We also have lots more co-​​operative con­nec­tions with non-​​church busi­nesses than I’ve seen before. We were plan­ning a church mid-​​year fes­ti­val, which started to involve busi­nesses up and down the street and ended up being a whole street fes­ti­val! I think women co-​​operate more and work harder at includ­ing oth­ers and there is less power-​​struggle and lead­er­ship con­flict than I’ve usu­ally seen before.

    PS — Thanks for send­ing your book — arrived today!

  5. @Lisa D, total bum­mer about that sem­i­nary schol­ar­ship thing. Mis­sion­ary women are appar­ently given a pass since the mis­sion field is short handed. I know a story of a mis­sion­ary woman who held the fort down for twenty years because men would not come to where she was lead­ing over­seas in her denom. A man finally did join the work and was imme­di­ately installed as the leader for the team, dis­plac­ing her despite her years of ser­vice and knowl­edge. Her attiude in the whole thing was this : The gospel is what mat­ters. Not who is leading.

    This sounds noble at first hear­ing, at least it did for me. But then I real­ized that the injus­tice of dis­plac­ing her due to her female gen­der was an affront to the very gospel of Jesus who lifted peo­ple out of oppres­sion. I get that she wanted their min­istry to con­tinue unhindered…and yet in that very thing the gospel was inad­ver­tently hin­dered for the many women (and men) they had influ­ence upon. Real Chris­t­ian women don’t lead. They fol­low. They only lead as a last resort.

    Ugh.

    Ugh

    Ugh.

    And this is why I wrote Unla­dy­like! (if you haven’t yet read it, or Jim Henderson’s book, The Res­ig­na­tion of Eve, I highly rec­om­mend both of our books!)

    Thanks for adding your story to this dis­cus­sion. We need to remind one another with sto­ries like this that the inequal­ity that women expe­ri­ence in the church is Real. It is not an imag­i­nary mon­ster under the bed.

  6. I almost cry when I read your posts. I can imag­ine min­istry in the beau­ti­ful way you describe it. But what I see as the prac­ticed norm in many churches around me is far from that, with no vis­i­ble signs of ever chang­ing. I pray for a new vision among men and women in places that haven’t even begun to imag­ine it yet.

    • @Lisa, thanks for your com­ment. Clearly you have a deep love and care for the expres­sion of church .I am thank­ful for peo­ple like you!

      We can hope to be the change we want to see, as I think it was Ghandi who sug­gested that .How can we be and do church in a true col­lab­o­ra­tion and equal­ity? IF the com­mu­ni­ties we are in are not, then it is on us to deter­mine how to respond and how to then live. I pray too for a new vision among and women includ­ing myself. We need renewal!!

  7. The pul­pit would be replaced with a table– a din­ing room table, cof­fee table, a din­ner table.

    The pul­pit is a power object used by men to assert their power. The pul­pit is the most sacred (and the real estate it sits on the most expen­sive) object in the church. Who­ever (is allowed to) stand behind this object is granted tem­po­rary mag­i­cal pow­ers over those seated oppo­site them. Thus the pri­mary skill required by those “called” to lead the church today is “ora­tion”. If you speak well you are a “pastor”.

    How­ever, Jesus called us to develop dis­ci­ples not orators.

    Clearly if more women led in the church, if women were “per­mit­ted” to explore the full range of their lead­er­ship capac­i­ties, if more women were per­mit­ted to think out loud and often, if women were granted the same degree of influ­ence as men are then the church would have more dis­ci­ples and fewer pew warmers.

    This prob­lem is not lim­ited to the church. Women start 50% of all new busi­nesses but receive about 7% of the ven­ture cap­i­tal. Stud­ies have shown that if women’s busi­nesses were funded to the same degree as men they would cre­ate 2 mil­lion new jobs in the first year alone. (< note to next President)

    Clearly the same problem/​opportunity exists in the cur­rent insti­tu­tion that dares to call itself Jesus Church. In three short years Jesus lifted women from prop­erty to per­son­hood. If the men who cur­rently run his church would find the _​_​_​_​_​_​ to do the same we would find our­selves immersed in new disciples.

    • @jim, din­ing room table, cof­fee table, din­ner table.…Love this Jim and all of your com­ment. I didn’t even touch on the P word (power) in my post. So glad you brought this up, for this is the root of why women are still banned (for the most part) from pul­pits and posi­tions of author­ity and church wide influence.

      I have said it before, I will say it again: the way churches treat women does not match how Jesus treated women. I am ded­i­cated to help­ing spark change from my lit­tle cor­ner of this great big world.

    • Exactly right — the pul­pit is a huge part of the prob­lem. I would much rather see con­ver­sa­tions hap­pen­ing, not a long lec­ture with no give and take. My hus­band is a Jr. High teacher — the quick­est way to have a stu­dent check out is to drone on and on with­out REAL TIME ques­tions and answers…going both ways. This is true for any speaker, i.e. pas­tor, too!! The quick­est way for the pas­tor to check out, and essen­tially be out of touch with the peo­ple sit­ting in front of them, is to talk at peo­ple instead of with them.

  8. Pam,
    the first time i heard another woman preach, besides myself, was at a vine­yard pas­tors’ con­fer­ence in 1999. she was the wife of a promi­nent pas­tor, and i was very excited to hear her preach. i was so dis­ap­pointed. she had obvi­ously done her home­work. she han­dled the scrip­ture well, but it was clear in the first 5 min­utes that she was not her­self. it wasn’t her voice we were hear­ing. i tried to stay with her, but tuned her out early. she sounded just like a man.
    the other woman who spoke, also a pastor’s wife, ded­i­cated her whole talk to urg­ing pas­tors’ wives to sup­port their hus­bands. she talked about how, as a girl of 10, she dreamed of being a pastor’s wife. she admon­ished women not to let them­selves go, and coached us in the ten­der art of sup­port­ing your man.
    i was beside myself in shock.
    and then came the stand­ing ova­tion.
    i had to leave the room.

    i was there as a vine­yard pas­tor. well, interim pas­tor, which, as you know, doesn’t count for any­thing (sar­casm here, and just a touch of bit­ter­ness). i led our lit­tle con­gre­ga­tion (because we were “lit­tle” we didn’t count either) for an entire year, preach­ing exactly 52 ser­mons. i loved preach­ing, but it took me the bet­ter part of 9 months to trust my own voice, my own way of com­mu­ni­cat­ing and prepar­ing. but we loved it. we all did. except maybe our vis­i­tors. i watched dozens of vis­i­tors become agi­tated and ner­vous when i got up to speak. i made it my goal and my plea­sure to watch their body lan­guage shift from resis­tant to relaxed and appreciative.

    i lost 1 long-​​time mem­ber, an 85-​​year-​​old for­mer pas­tor in a wheel chair. he stayed with me for sev­eral months until one day, in the mid­dle of my ser­mon, he started up his elec­tric wheel chair and just wheeled away, never to return. he couldn’t take it anymore.

    i think if women were in the pul­pit the church and the world would be in bet­ter shape. but we need to do more. the pulpit-​​driven model is a very poor way to do church. it keeps peo­ple sated and com­pla­cent, and over-​​values words, think­ing, and pre­sen­ta­tion. noth­ing short of a rev­o­lu­tion is required if the church wants to have value in our culture.

    for now, though, the fem­i­nine voice is sorely needed.

    • @phyllis, wow. in just a few para­graphs you describe the strong­hold of patri­archy in the church with pre­ci­sion and spot-​​on exam­ples. Your wom­anly iden­tity took hit after hit in those sit­u­a­tions, and I am sure that many other in those sit­u­a­tions did, too. I hear sto­ries like this over and over again.

      yes, the fem­i­nine voice is sorely needed as is the col­lab­o­ra­tion of true equal­ity between men and women. I’m also intrigued by what you say that the “pulpit-​​driven model is a very poor way to do church.” That is spark­ing next week’s blog post for my What If … series. I will be rel­fect­ing on this for the next week. You and Jim have agi­tated my imag­i­na­tion. Thanks for that and thanks so much for adding your per­spec­tive and expe­ri­ences to this conversation.

  9. Pam — It is hard for me not to imag­ine women pastor’s as I grew up with women pastor’s and I was one for 15 years. What I do think though is that though they are accepted in some denom­i­na­tions they are not really received well. I believe hon­estly though my for­mer denom­i­na­tion said they believed in women min­is­ters only 3% of the total ordained min­is­ters were actu­ally senior pastor’s. I believe it was a lot of talk, but would have pre­ferred women to be Children’s Pas­tors. When I left the min­istry I left as a senior asso­ciate pas­tor of a church which had a hus­band and wife team as the senior pas­tors. When I finally went back to church I went to a dif­fer­ent denom­i­na­tion because of the accep­tance of my lifestyle. The United Church of Christ has lots of women as senior pastor’s. I wish this were main­stream and not some­thing that still was on the side. For all my adult life I have been a part of a con­tro­versy when it comes to the church. From 22 years ago being a woman min­is­ter to now being on the side of being a chris­t­ian and a gay per­son. I dream for a day when labels aren’t part of what we worry about, but how we best can serve the wid­ows and the orphans

    • @jen, so with you on this, for the day when labels are obso­lete. That day seems a mil­lieneum away. Human beings…we do love our labels for one another, both within and out­side the realm of church. But I’m with you…church is meant to be that soci­ety of true equity being demon­strated with one another no mat­ter gen­der, our socioe­co­nomic sta­tus or sex­ual iden­tity. We are so far from that that I can depress myself if I think on it too long.

      I keep my hopes up in that at least we are hav­ing these con­ver­sa­tions and begin­ning to imag­ine a dif­fer­ent world of faith. We can­not become what we can­not see (I heard that quote some­where). At least we are begin­ning to ask God for new wine­skins and new wine!!!

      Thanks for reading!

  10. a touchy issue, indeed.
    In Sem­i­nary I was told I couldn’t get a schol­ar­ship (they were for men train­ing for pas­tor­ship only) but if I was going to be a mis­sion­ary, prob­a­bly I could. I kept won­der­ing why women teach­ing men over­seas didn’t toss their whole argu­ment out the win­dow. For­eign men can be taught by Amer­i­can females, but Amer­i­can men, no that’s a sub­ver­sion of author­ity. nonsensical.

    I didn’t want to be a pas­tor anyway…I just wanted to write bet­ter books.

    Per­son­ally, I like the idea of co-​​pastors, one male and one female. Mutual submission…didn’t some dud name Paul say some­thing about that? :) I appre­ci­ate what each gen­der can bring to ministry.